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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on Jul 31, 2006 20:44:49 GMT -5
Good grief, it is NOT Lizzie! It never points at Lizzie or Jack... they just happen to be in the way of where it's really pointing. Pure coincidence. Lizzie does not want Jack and Jack doesn't want Lizzie most in the world. It could be the Pearl... but I'm not positive about that...
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Post by Secret Pseudonym on Aug 1, 2006 12:05:06 GMT -5
Maybe it was pointing at the horizon. Because that's all around him. See? So it just spins in a circle because the horizon is everywhere.
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Post by Piratesmeeper on Aug 1, 2006 18:44:04 GMT -5
so he already has the pearl? or did you have a different theory?
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Post by Candy Queen on Aug 8, 2006 11:43:20 GMT -5
My theory I suppose. Think, in the first movie where did the compass point him? To isle de muerta? Probably not. He wanted the Pearl, he didn't care about the cursed treasure. Nor the other treasure... (or at least he cared about the Pearl more) How would he know they were catching up if he compass was just pointing towards Isle De Muerta? It was probably pointing toward the Pearl. That's pretty much all he wanted in the first movie. The Pearl back. That's why he agreed to help Will find Elizabeth, because he knew with leverage he could possibly get the Pearl back. Now after he had the Pearl, the compass started acting screwy. He was standing on the Pearl, therefore it could only spin in circles. But... when they were in Tourtuga... He still couldn't get it to "work"... So maybe my theory is wrong. Or maybe, after Jack got the Pearl, he couldn't think of anything else he wanted most in the world. He had his freedom (The Pearl) and that's really what he wanted. So maybe he couldn't even think of what he wanted most. If any of that made sence. I'm kinda rambly lately -.-
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Post by Secret Pseudonym on Aug 8, 2006 14:24:28 GMT -5
What he wants changes. Because at one time he really really wanted the Isle de Muerta, that's how he knew how to find an island that can only be found by those who know where it is. And then, yes, the second thing he really really wanted was the Pearl, though one must wonder what he was doing in the decade that came between losing the Pearl and getting it back. He had to make a living somehow. So, then he had his ship back, and we have no proof that the compass wasn't working between the end of CotBP and DMC. I think the whole "broken compass" thing started when he realized that his 13 years were about to end and Davy Jones was going to come after him. So what did he want then? Freedom? The key? The chest? To get the smeep out? The thing that vexes all men which isn't sums or the dicotomy between good and evil? Or did he want something that he didn't know he wanted? My theory is that he wanted so many things that the compass was overloaded. And I built that off of what everyone else has said on the matter so far. Look, you're in there somewhere...except for the J/E supporters. You're not.
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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on Aug 9, 2006 23:05:18 GMT -5
TD... my theory runs very close along yours, so far. But recents postings by Psnoo about backstory have influenced me, and confused me... and I think Psnoo is on to something, too. Throughout the first movie, I do think that the compass pointed to the Pearl and not the Isla de Muerta. I also thought of the "we're catching up" bit. And I also think of this quote of Jack's "what the Black Pearl really is... is freedom." I think that pretty much defines Jack. However, at the end when he looks at the compass and says 'Bring me that horizon," it doesn't seem to be malfunctioning yet, so it was still pointing to something other than the Pearl. I wonder what Jack wanted most in this world, besides the Pearl. Was he already thinking about the Dead Man's Chest? (I mean, he was looking for the key before Bootstrap Bill came to visit, so he knew his time was nearly up.) Also to be considered is Tia Dalma's quote, "Jack Sparrow doesn't know what he wants." She definitely knows things that we don't, particularly about that compass, so I'll bet she's onto something there. And last to consider is Lord Cutler Beckett... who knows a good bit about the compass as well, and has a history where he pretty much ruined Jack. How does Beckett know how the compass works? Did he once have it? Did Jack get it from him? Did Beckett 'borrow' it from Jack? Did the compass play a part in Beckett wanting to ruin Jack? Should we perhaps assume Jack would want some revenge on him for it? So much to ponder...
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Post by Secret Pseudonym on Aug 10, 2006 0:11:30 GMT -5
Should we perhaps assume Jack would want some revenge on him for it? I don't know if I'd go that far. I mean, Jack obviously doesn't like the man, but he didn't seem all that upset about him being involved in the whole mess either. Of course, that may have been because he had better things on his mind.
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Post by Piratesmeeper on Aug 26, 2006 22:16:22 GMT -5
I don't know it seems like all these theories are either way way too detailed and extravagant or way to simplistic...I really don't think it's just that he wants so many things because it seems to be a more important factor in the movies than oh, he just can't decide what he wants anymore now that he has the pearl. It just seems like they intend there to be more to it
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Post by Secret Pseudonym on Dec 9, 2006 23:29:01 GMT -5
Okay, so who's watched the writer's commentary with all its little insights into the workings of the compass?
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Post by Candy Queen on Dec 9, 2006 23:38:28 GMT -5
I just watched it and I think Tia Dalma said that he bought it from her.. I wasn't watching too intently though.
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Post by Secret Pseudonym on Dec 10, 2006 11:21:05 GMT -5
Ted and Terry were very deliberately making comments about the differences between wants (which is what the compass realyl reads) and heart's desires (which is what Disney marketing ran with) whenever Jack or Lizzie had the compass and it was concievably pointed towards the other.
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Post by The Protective Horserider on Dec 19, 2006 13:44:43 GMT -5
Yup, I saw that too. Awesome theories though, from all of you! It's a great little thing that compass. I'd like to have one myself
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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on Jan 7, 2007 15:01:22 GMT -5
Aye, I did listen to the commentary and was surprised to hear what they said about the compass. And I was really miffed that they never said where it pointed when Jack was rowing away from the Pearl trying to save his own skin. I always assumed it pointed to the ship because that is what Jack has always truly wanted most. But apparently, with the way those two explained everything, I was wrong.
I am inclined now to believe that the "Curiosity" scene between Jack and Elizabeth hits the nail right on the head. Elizabeth wants the idea of Jack, moreso than Jack himself, and wants to 'do what she wants because she wants to' and vice versa. And how interesting that at the end of it all, this is what happens. Jack does something courageous and worthy of a 'good man' and Elizabeth does something very selfish and worthy of a 'pirate.'
Funny ol' world, innit?
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Post by tonidepp16 on Jan 21, 2007 14:52:19 GMT -5
well i think jack's compass points to me ;D lol, just joking. well we don't really know what he wants, i mean he wants freedom, the key, the chest, rum, long lost treasure that we don't know about, women. i think that he wants one thing, then he changes his mind & wants another & that's why i think the compass just points in different directions because, as tia dalma says, "jack sparrow does not know what he wants" & i don't think he would be satisfied if he got one thing but didn't get the other
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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on Jan 23, 2007 23:45:40 GMT -5
Ah, but Tia Dalma also says that perhaps he does know what he wants but is loathe to claim it as his own. Eh?
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