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Post by The Fearless Fiend on Nov 11, 2003 23:36:45 GMT -5
So, I've heard many theories as to just what the hell is wrong with our beloved SJ. Psychosis, Schitzophrenia, Sociopathy, hmm, even though I'm a psychology major, I'm not sure those are all real words, but anyway, what do you think is wrong with him? I would love to know!! Embrace the madness!!!
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Post by Dangerbabe on Nov 12, 2003 21:56:27 GMT -5
Character-wise, I think Sands is somewhat of a fairy-tale character. So a lot of his eccentricities are flights of fancy of Rodriguez and Depp. Otherwise, I really don't think we'd be interested in liking him. He's layered because he will kill with no consideration for human life (the cook, the waitress--she might've only been wounded-- and the matador) are all examples of the behavior of little more than an animal. However, his care for the kid is so completely out of character up to that point, that we almost don't know what to do with it. "I don't hear you running..." Why does he care? He got what he needed from the kid. He was ready to undertake his revenge. Why does he care whether or not the kid is hurt? Just one more layer. Perhaps there's two sides to him: Sheldon Jeffrey (okay, SJ, I give up! ) and CIA Agent Sands. SJ is the last vestige of humanity in him which he only calls on when Agent Sands has failed to keep control, i.e., the only time in the movie when he says his full name along with his title. He has lost control of everything but himself (Cucuy, the cartels, the CIA) and needs every part of himself to just stay alive. The viscious little bully that is Sands needs his human side now...the side that will be willing to use his ears and instantly submit to the care of another human being. Hooray for character analysis! photobucket.com/albums/0903/Greeny/Smileys/bs.gif[/img Yeah, but it's the fun kind!
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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on Nov 12, 2003 22:07:32 GMT -5
I love that analysis! And all I will do is comment, because I have no knack for that myself. A bit of a split personality....well, everyone has different facets of their personality, but he's really conflicted by his. Just part of his psychosis, eh?
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Post by The Dashing Director on Nov 12, 2003 22:24:28 GMT -5
Wow, looks like you put a lot of thought into that. I applaud you for that character summery/analasis, it was very enjoyable. Personally, I'm led to believe that Sands does have some mental issues going on up there in his mind. I imagine it's a rather scary place to be sometimes. I wouldn't say he's totally insane, but he does have mental issues. Joon had mental issues. Compare. After reading a certain fanfic that I've fallen in love with (Miss Becky's ff.net fanfiction), she portrays Sands as someone with an "inner voice" who takes control. She wrote Sands as someone who's had a life-affecting trauma happen to him that made him this way. The voice takes control when Sands doesn't want to be there. Oh, and what does sociopath mean? I know psychopath, but not sociopath. Silly me. -gyps
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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on Nov 12, 2003 22:32:54 GMT -5
I've read both of Miss Becky's OUaTiM fics, and yes, they are terrific! They would make a great movie. Yeah, the way she put it is very similar to what you said DB. There's the two personalitites, Sands and that voice in his head. And he struggles with it, but sometimes he just gives in.
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Post by The Fearless Fiend on Nov 13, 2003 0:45:18 GMT -5
First of all, thanks to all of you for responding to my thread!!!! ;D to Gypsy-A sociopath, I'm pretty sure, is someone who knows without a doubt that what they're doing is wrong, just simply does not care. A psychopath is someone who doesn't know what they're doing is wrong, and therefore doesn't care either. In Miss B's wonderful OUATIM fics, she's made SJ more out to be a schitzophrenic. He hears a 'voice' than can control him/make him do things, and his personality seems to go away during these times. She's done a fabulous job with the research as well, it's usually developed in young children at the onset of some trauma that's just too much for their minds to cope with on their own. That's why they create the 'voices' in the first place. To deal with the things they cannot. or will not. Anyway, I don't want to say more about the fic because everyone has to READ IT FOR THEMSELVES!! Like, right now!!!! Oh, and to D.B. I first started calling him SJ in reviews to Miss Becky's wonderful OUATIM fic on ff.net. I don't know where it came from, it just seemed right. More personal, some how. It makes him mine. YOU HEAR THAT?! HE'S MINE!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA oh. he's not mine? well...smeep it. He should be. *grumble grumble*
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Post by The Raisin Avenger on Nov 13, 2003 0:59:21 GMT -5
LOL yeah I really think Miss Becky has colored my perceptions of Sands' madness. I see him as being a mix of a couple of different things. I think he's a little schitzophrenic but he's also definitely a sociopath. Haha I had to look up the term as well for a character analysis I did of him for a class. ;D
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Post by The Fearless Fiend on Nov 13, 2003 11:46:56 GMT -5
Yeah, R.A. Miss B.'s just cool that way. I find I have trouble seperating her El and SJ from R. Rodriguez's. I agree with your analysis though. Definitely sociopathic if nothing else, but yet not all the time. If he was completely sociopathic, he wouldn't have cared about whether or not young 'Chiclet' runs away or not. *shrug* He's a man of many layers and how we love him for them!!! ;D Or wait, maybe that's just me....I seem to be a little SJ-focussed, don't I? ;D Oh, and you got to analyse SJ for a class?? That's just, coool!!! I wish I had opportunities to do fun stuff like that for classes. Oh well.
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Post by Dangerbabe on Nov 15, 2003 1:21:30 GMT -5
Hey, Merrie! Check your PM's m'dear!
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Post by The Dashing Director on Nov 15, 2003 2:07:46 GMT -5
Merrie: Thanks for clarifying the differences in conditions for me. CC: Only 2 of Miss Becky's fics? Hun, she's got three of them. And believe me, you do not want to miss the third one, whatever you do. Do not miss the third one. -gyps
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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on Nov 15, 2003 2:18:42 GMT -5
She writes like a mad-woman! She's already got 16 chapters of a third fic up and I didn't even know it! Wow. *stunned*
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Post by The Fearless Fiend on Nov 15, 2003 2:53:59 GMT -5
Oh, it's sooooo worth it!!! The 3rd one is...wow....but this isn't the place for fanfic discussion, even if it is my thread, so i'll keep my comments to a minimum. GO READ IT!!! IT'S MORE THAN WORTH IT!!! thanks. that is alll.
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Post by F. Bella Incognita on Nov 18, 2003 0:37:35 GMT -5
Yes, Miss B is one amazing author! She re-triggered my Sands obsession and now I can't quit. lol She's a marvel! My take on Sands is that he's kind of his own man, who is (as Johnny D says as well) this guy who nobody likes and was stationed somewhere that he hates because the Agency didn't know what to do with him. And he was (rightfully, if I may say so) pretty p!$$ed off. He just takes the meaning of "who's boss" to the extreme, but I obviously cannot deny that he does have some mental instability going on in that little brain of his, and I think he knows it. Seems to me, though, that if he had any triple-threats to his sanity, they would start the Day of the Dead where the film left off. There would be a great element to put in a next film, eh? Sands beginning with insanity in his own dark world. And I think that's true, in a way...for Sands, I think the nightmares are only beginning. He was already a little unsteady with his mental footing, and now suddenly he's just trapped in his body, in darkness, with no one but his thoughts and memories. Who knows what could happen? Ah, poor Sands! Oh, well. Even with his psychotic and homicidal tendencies, he's still one hell of a guy.
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Post by The Fearless Fiend on Nov 18, 2003 1:37:00 GMT -5
Ah, poor Sands! Oh, well. Even with his psychotic and homicidal tendencies, he's still one hell of a guy. LOL!! I completely agree with you on the last, if ever there was a test of his sanity, it is now with the loss of his eyes. I'm not sure a normal person could stay sane after something like that, let alone one who's already a wee bit unhinged. But be that as it may, we still love you, SJ!! Hey! That rhymed!! ;D Er...wow. I'm rhyming...perhaps it's time to go to bed now.....Hmmm.....
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Post by Dangerbabe on Nov 20, 2003 11:20:42 GMT -5
Hope you got some sleep, there, Fearless. But rhyming is okay! Never be afraid to unleash the inner poet! Yes, I would so love to see how Sands would progress, how he would continue his life without his sight. I think his blindness will either push him over the edge, or it will shake a bit of sense into him. Having to deal with weakness is new to him. But he's already willing to ask for help by the end of the film.
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