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Post by The Caribbean Crusader on May 26, 2007 13:34:26 GMT -5
Jack was never dead- that's what I got. He was taken, not dead.
And they all went to the locker to get him back- by falling off the 'end of the world' as it were.
And for them to return from the locker they had to do the whole 'Up is down' bit. The green flash meant they made it.
That was how I understood it anyway. I'll double check it when I go again later today. ;D
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Post by Candy Queen on May 26, 2007 13:37:52 GMT -5
'Kay, then I'll change it. Kiss Elizabeth and very bad things happen to you. Verrrrrrrrrrrry bad things. *nods*
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Post by The Horseman Huntress on May 26, 2007 14:08:17 GMT -5
Jack was never dead- that's what I got. He was taken, not dead. And they all went to the locker to get him back- by falling off the 'end of the world' as it were. And for them to return from the locker they had to do the whole 'Up is down' bit. The green flash meant they made it. That was how I understood it anyway. I'll double check it when I go again later today. ;D Oooh kay. I think I get it now! #rotfl# I thought that if you were in Davy Jones' Locker you wre dead, though... But thanks for clearing it up! Ooh, another question: Why does the Dutchman need a living heart? I mean why does it have to have a captain? If Will had just stabbed the heart of Davy and not given up his heart what would have happened? Because since Will is Captain and he let go all of Jones' crew doesn't that mean the Dutchman is not needed? Can't it be just a regular ship now and Will can go to land whenever he wants? Lots of questions... #rotfl#
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Post by The Poetic Protégée on May 26, 2007 16:05:45 GMT -5
The Dutchman needs a living heart because that's the curse it was under, I believe, and in order for the curse to be broken the Captain's lover must be faithful for ten years. It's a bit confusing but that's my understanding of it anyway according the film. It can't be a regular ship because the job of its crew is to take those souls lost at sea to the next world. Will wouldn't have been able to stab the heart and not give up his own. Psnoo - surely even tempestuous sea goddesses have some concept of decency! Jeez. She was one mean lady
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Post by Secret Pseudonym on May 26, 2007 17:30:54 GMT -5
Davy Jones' locker is pretty much the equivalent to hell, from what I've gathered. So Jack was very much dead. (In fact, the entire crew may have been dead for awhile. I'm pretty sure that falling off the edge of the world has that effect.) Anyway, Jack came back to life as a resullt of the whole "up is down" thing, and there was that flash of green light. Or at least, that's how I understood it to work from the movie. As for tempetuous sea goddesses, I'm not so sure about their sense of fair play. Perhaps I've read too much Greek mythology.
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Post by The Horseman Huntress on May 26, 2007 22:15:23 GMT -5
Ok thanks to both Jay and Psnoo. But if Will's the Captain now and weren't all the crew freed then why is the Dutchman still cursed or whatever? So now I have two different views on the locker. Jack was either taken or dead. Maybe another sequel could answer this for us?!
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Post by Dances With Rolls on May 26, 2007 22:46:52 GMT -5
I'll just say this... Multiple Jacks. Multiple shirtless Jacks. Ahhhhhh.
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Post by Secret Pseudonym on May 27, 2007 0:35:52 GMT -5
Okay, okay....the movie improves vastly upon a second viewing.
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Post by The Horseman Huntress on May 27, 2007 1:40:59 GMT -5
Okay, okay....the movie improves vastly upon a second viewing. That's what I'm hoping. Because I don't completley understand it all! I know that once I get the full meaning of the film then I'll like it more. And since I really really like it now, I know I'll love it by tonight[7:30!!]
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Post by CIA Agente Arenas on May 27, 2007 2:49:02 GMT -5
I think that I actually like this movie the most because for every bad thing that happened, there was almost immediately something to distract you from the bad so the whole movie wasn't just a whole mass of sorrow and death and destruction and anger and madness. That would have been a lot worse I think, and despite the fact that some of the scenes, I was wondering whether I'd gone insane, it was a pretty well put together movie.
Except I missed about 15 minutes in the middle when the film broke *pout* I have to go back just to see those fifteen minutes.
It was pretty cool how they had pirates from everywhere, I just wish they'd done more than have a council, fight and hoist flags. I would've liked to see a little help from the peanut gallery on that one.
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Post by The Horseman Huntress on May 27, 2007 12:56:51 GMT -5
Ok, here I am again.. with you betcha: another question #rotfl#
Ok so I think this ones more common sense and might sound really dumb but...
So who ever has Davy's heart has to converse with Jones, they can't just hold the heart and just be in control of Jones if they don't talk or get near him... right?
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Post by The Poetic Protégée on May 27, 2007 13:03:05 GMT -5
I don't think I understand the question. HH!
Initially Beckett had Jones's heart but Davy Jones went awol and started killing everything that moved instead of holding hostages like Beckett had asked so to ensure he did as he was told Beckett sent Norry onto the Dutchman with the heart. Jones clearly did not appreciate this proximity, it seems that with the heart so close he was able to feel everything he was unable to feel when it was safely buried. Whoever has the heart has the power to blackmail Jones with it. They're not actually in control of him but he'll do what they want because he doesn't want to die.
Is that what you needed explained or was it something else entirely?
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Post by The Horseman Huntress on May 27, 2007 13:07:43 GMT -5
I don't think I understand the question. HH! Initially Beckett had Jones's heart but Davy Jones went awol and started killing everything that moved instead of holding hostages like Beckett had asked so to ensure he did as he was told Beckett sent Norry onto the Dutchman with the heart. Jones clearly did not appreciate this proximity, it seems that with the heart so close he was able to feel everything he was unable to feel when it was safely buried. Whoever has the heart has the power to blackmail Jones with it. They're not actually in control of him but he'll do what they want because he doesn't want to die. Is that what you needed explained or was it something else entirely? But they actually have to go up and talk to Jones, there's not like some magical force that makes Jones do something... Sorry if this isn't clear...
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Post by Candy Queen on May 27, 2007 13:31:08 GMT -5
I absolutly loved the French pirate. He was adorable.
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Post by CIA Agente Arenas on May 27, 2007 13:32:12 GMT -5
Nope, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like a voodoo doll. Davy might be able to keep a tab on its closeness within reason, but I don't think he'd know that a specific person has the heart so he really wouldn't know what that specific person would want. You'd have to be there in person telling him what you want, threatening his heart.
Edit: Yeah French pirate! ;D
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